So also in googling i found the Special Forces Association. And wrote them to ask if his lies were even at least possible. And this is the Forum thread.
SPECIAL FORCES ASSOCIATION:
SPECIAL FORCES ASSOCIATION:
I am looking for information on a supposed member and maybe debunk some info he puts out about himself. these are his statments about himself. NAME; Lance McCormick DOB 05/12/1971
1. SF/Ranger Sniper. Went to Panama in 89, as a Pv2 Ranger Jumpmaster.
joined in 89 after getting his GED, but after he came back he states he went back home to Nevada to proceed to graduate from HS which he did so and he posted it on his classmates.com profile in 1990. Possible?
2. His last know unit has he puts it:
505th 3rd Brigade HHC, the pir
fayetteville, nc possible? i called bragg and the operator could not find the unit.
3. He retired at the age of 29 or 30 after being in for 10-11 yrs and did so
has a E8-MSG. and stated he wore a diamond for short time. Possible?
4. this one hit hard. i served in 2003 with 4th id. 1/66 ar. we supported tankers, infantry, scouts, mps, and very so often a group of Sf guys would come in asking for extra food if we had it, anything to make their MRE's taste better. so we always gave more then we should ( fruit, gatorade, even hot chow if they came in at the right time just b/c we knew they didnt get alot. our footprint was brassfield-mora-samarra ws told it closed nov 09. but we got to know these sf guys not well but well enough. so when this dildo told me this, i kind of was offended, i know this community is tight and close and i am sure this could happen.
but he stated in 2003 his sf buddy paul johnson was killed in the sunni triangle (where i was so i wasnt sure if i knew him, i knew one guy only by pauly)
and this dildo bought mr. johnson wife a house so she wouldnt have to worry. and he was the sole person who did this no one else footed the bill but him. when i asked him why no one helped he said he they told him no.
really?
5. he also says he trained a kuwait prince and married his sister who died a short time after their wedding in a car accident.
6. he did that plus ran Blackwater for 4 yrs. when asked what yrs he just ran around the questions and avoided it. i was stationed in baghdad this year and and was with hr co this time and know and saw some of the emails that came down thru the chain about known assoicaites and how they only had 7 days to get out of country or be arrested for visa violation.
7. and last but not least he was a mechanic in Delta Force. of course there was no years given.
after stating he did all that in a short amount of time also claiming he was shot in somalia showing his small scar on his leg. he now works in join base balad working as a mechanic for terex corporation fixing cranes. which he uses and tells ppl over the phone he IS still a SF member and is on orders and will use this to get out of paying bills. when i said u cant do that, he got in my face and told me to mind my own business. so i did and went told his employer but not sure if anything happened he still there so apperently nothing.
so iam trying to debunk these stories so i can somehow turn him for stolenvalor or if anything catch him and let everyone know that he is just a lie. which i am sure some do, but i would like to keep my facts straight and make sure i am telling the truth unlike this one.
thank you for your time and service.
1. SF/Ranger Sniper. Went to Panama in 89, as a Pv2 Ranger Jumpmaster.
joined in 89 after getting his GED, but after he came back he states he went back home to Nevada to proceed to graduate from HS which he did so and he posted it on his classmates.com profile in 1990. Possible?
2. His last know unit has he puts it:
505th 3rd Brigade HHC, the pir
fayetteville, nc possible? i called bragg and the operator could not find the unit.
3. He retired at the age of 29 or 30 after being in for 10-11 yrs and did so
has a E8-MSG. and stated he wore a diamond for short time. Possible?
4. this one hit hard. i served in 2003 with 4th id. 1/66 ar. we supported tankers, infantry, scouts, mps, and very so often a group of Sf guys would come in asking for extra food if we had it, anything to make their MRE's taste better. so we always gave more then we should ( fruit, gatorade, even hot chow if they came in at the right time just b/c we knew they didnt get alot. our footprint was brassfield-mora-samarra ws told it closed nov 09. but we got to know these sf guys not well but well enough. so when this dildo told me this, i kind of was offended, i know this community is tight and close and i am sure this could happen.
but he stated in 2003 his sf buddy paul johnson was killed in the sunni triangle (where i was so i wasnt sure if i knew him, i knew one guy only by pauly)
and this dildo bought mr. johnson wife a house so she wouldnt have to worry. and he was the sole person who did this no one else footed the bill but him. when i asked him why no one helped he said he they told him no.
really?
5. he also says he trained a kuwait prince and married his sister who died a short time after their wedding in a car accident.
6. he did that plus ran Blackwater for 4 yrs. when asked what yrs he just ran around the questions and avoided it. i was stationed in baghdad this year and and was with hr co this time and know and saw some of the emails that came down thru the chain about known assoicaites and how they only had 7 days to get out of country or be arrested for visa violation.
7. and last but not least he was a mechanic in Delta Force. of course there was no years given.
after stating he did all that in a short amount of time also claiming he was shot in somalia showing his small scar on his leg. he now works in join base balad working as a mechanic for terex corporation fixing cranes. which he uses and tells ppl over the phone he IS still a SF member and is on orders and will use this to get out of paying bills. when i said u cant do that, he got in my face and told me to mind my own business. so i did and went told his employer but not sure if anything happened he still there so apperently nothing.
so iam trying to debunk these stories so i can somehow turn him for stolenvalor or if anything catch him and let everyone know that he is just a lie. which i am sure some do, but i would like to keep my facts straight and make sure i am telling the truth unlike this one.
thank you for your time and service.
REPLYS:
This fellow IS NOT a member of the Special Forces Association. He sounds like he has played too many video games. Some of these claims are outlandish and if he is using them to defraud anybody, the authorities would be interested. Here are some sites you might pass him on to:
www.stolenvalor.com
www.pownetwork.org
Good Luck
www.stolenvalor.com
www.pownetwork.org
Good Luck
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D-2082L
Just a couple of points on this story.
They don't send PV2s to Jumpmaster school in the Ranger Bn that I know of.
He would have had to medically retire at 10-11 years, which is possible, but doing it as a MSG would be very rare.
There's no SF KIA that I can find named Paul Johnson.
SF Guy marrying a Kuwaiti princess? Never heard of it, but I guess it's possible...but not very.
I agree with the genltman above. I'm sure this wannabe background request will get circulated pretty quickly, so stand by.
D4656L
They don't send PV2s to Jumpmaster school in the Ranger Bn that I know of.
He would have had to medically retire at 10-11 years, which is possible, but doing it as a MSG would be very rare.
There's no SF KIA that I can find named Paul Johnson.
SF Guy marrying a Kuwaiti princess? Never heard of it, but I guess it's possible...but not very.
I agree with the genltman above. I'm sure this wannabe background request will get circulated pretty quickly, so stand by.
D4656L
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Chuck and Mary Schantag are members of SFA Chapter 82, as Honorary Members.
McCormick's DOB just about debunks 90% of the claims; as being very unlikely. Chris covered all the rest that I had to say. Yet there is one thing that puzzles me, and that is I have heard/read his name someplace before, and I'm thinking it was on the Wall of Shame.
If you ask nice and give Mary all the data you posted here, she will give you the best shot in the world as to the validity of this guy.
I can't give you her personal email address, but you have my permission to tell her I sent you. Good Luck..................R
McCormick's DOB just about debunks 90% of the claims; as being very unlikely. Chris covered all the rest that I had to say. Yet there is one thing that puzzles me, and that is I have heard/read his name someplace before, and I'm thinking it was on the Wall of Shame.
If you ask nice and give Mary all the data you posted here, she will give you the best shot in the world as to the validity of this guy.
I can't give you her personal email address, but you have my permission to tell her I sent you. Good Luck..................R
D571L
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Lets just quit goofin around with this guy, take what you have to the "Team Sergeant" at professionalsoldiers.com and get the thing sorted out. If he is claiming SF and profiting from that claim or is just a poser, his days are numbered. JD will do what needs to be done to verify and/or exonorate him or shut him down by inclusion in the "Hall of Shame" and for as long as the internet exists he will remain there, if he has earned membership.
SFA M-585-L
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Folks, an old long standing friend of mine asked me to post this for him, as he was unable to do so. The original message is in small bold black font, Paul's response is n small bold, some of my thoughts are in larger, green bold font.
I hope I am in the right spot and using the right format, so here goes P, good luck.............
P, we tossed this around on the General Members site, last night.
Here are my thoughts: JUMP MASTER in a few months, as an E2; NOT HARDLY, one needs 65 jumps to attend the JMC
Become a Sniper (as an E2) and assigned to a Ranger BN, NOT HARDLY.
HERE IS THE KICKER, HE CLAIMED TO HAVE RETIRED AS A FIRST SERGEANT w/DIAMOND??? GIVE ME A BREAK, PLEASE. AFTER A SPAN OF 7-10 YEARS, PLEASE, NOT HARDLY.
I will send this on out for you, though...............
In a message dated 12/30/2010 7:12:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, ASFBacSi writes:
Jim for what ever reason I'm unable to post responses on the Public section of the SFA Web Site so I'm sending this to you to pass on for me.
P
Looking for Information
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I am looking for information on a supposed member and maybe debunk some info he puts out about himself. these are his statements about himself. NAME; Lance McCormick DOB 05/12/1971
I assume if his DOB was 5/12/1971 that the youngest he could join the service would be at 17, so that would have him entering the service on or about 5/12/1988 at the youngest.
BUT! He claims he joined in 1989 ( WHAT MONTH ?)
1. SF/Ranger Sniper. Went to Panama in 89, as a PV2 Ranger Jump master.
joined in 89 after getting his GED,
If he went to Panama in 89 WHAT MONTH?
Do the math.
In 89 he went through basic training , ( NO POST BASIC MOS TRAINING GIVEN) became a SF/ Ranger Sniper ( HOW MANY MONTHS ? )
Became a Ranger Jump master ( How many Months? )
I didn't realize a Pvt2 could become a Jump master how many weeks and jumps are required ?
but after he came back he states he went back home to Nevada to proceed to graduate from HS which he did so and he posted it on his classmates.com profile in 1990. Possible?
Do the math! If he enlisted in 89 what was his term of enlistment?
How could he enlist in 89 , get out of the service in 90 return to HS after only one year of service, ( Why return to HS he already had a GED and would the school even allow it? ) and accomplish all he claims including going to Panama .
I don't waste my time with these wannabe's unless they are trying to defraud someone or the system. I feel they are lacking something in their lives and seeking attention to overcome what they are lacking.
They are somewhat like a child that will act bad if they can't get attention acting nice.
I assume they feel any kind of attention, is better than none .
In this case he has more than accomplished his goal because he is now appearing on the SFA Web site.
Have a nice day .
P
I hope I am in the right spot and using the right format, so here goes P, good luck.............
P, we tossed this around on the General Members site, last night.
Here are my thoughts: JUMP MASTER in a few months, as an E2; NOT HARDLY, one needs 65 jumps to attend the JMC
Become a Sniper (as an E2) and assigned to a Ranger BN, NOT HARDLY.
HERE IS THE KICKER, HE CLAIMED TO HAVE RETIRED AS A FIRST SERGEANT w/DIAMOND??? GIVE ME A BREAK, PLEASE. AFTER A SPAN OF 7-10 YEARS, PLEASE, NOT HARDLY.
I will send this on out for you, though...............
In a message dated 12/30/2010 7:12:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, ASFBacSi writes:
Jim for what ever reason I'm unable to post responses on the Public section of the SFA Web Site so I'm sending this to you to pass on for me.
P
Looking for Information
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I am looking for information on a supposed member and maybe debunk some info he puts out about himself. these are his statements about himself. NAME; Lance McCormick DOB 05/12/1971
I assume if his DOB was 5/12/1971 that the youngest he could join the service would be at 17, so that would have him entering the service on or about 5/12/1988 at the youngest.
BUT! He claims he joined in 1989 ( WHAT MONTH ?)
1. SF/Ranger Sniper. Went to Panama in 89, as a PV2 Ranger Jump master.
joined in 89 after getting his GED,
If he went to Panama in 89 WHAT MONTH?
Do the math.
In 89 he went through basic training , ( NO POST BASIC MOS TRAINING GIVEN) became a SF/ Ranger Sniper ( HOW MANY MONTHS ? )
Became a Ranger Jump master ( How many Months? )
I didn't realize a Pvt2 could become a Jump master how many weeks and jumps are required ?
but after he came back he states he went back home to Nevada to proceed to graduate from HS which he did so and he posted it on his classmates.com profile in 1990. Possible?
Do the math! If he enlisted in 89 what was his term of enlistment?
How could he enlist in 89 , get out of the service in 90 return to HS after only one year of service, ( Why return to HS he already had a GED and would the school even allow it? ) and accomplish all he claims including going to Panama .
I don't waste my time with these wannabe's unless they are trying to defraud someone or the system. I feel they are lacking something in their lives and seeking attention to overcome what they are lacking.
They are somewhat like a child that will act bad if they can't get attention acting nice.
I assume they feel any kind of attention, is better than none .
In this case he has more than accomplished his goal because he is now appearing on the SFA Web site.
Have a nice day .
P
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Originally Posted by "White Rabbit" 
Lets just quit goofin around with this guy, take what you have to the "Team Sergeant" at professionalsoldiers.com and get the thing sorted out. If he is claiming SF and profiting from that claim or is just a poser, his days are numbered. JD will do what needs to be done to verify and/or exonorate him or shut him down by inclusion in the "Hall of Shame" and for as long as the internet exists he will remain there, if he has earned membership.
I concur, PS.com does a good job at "outing" these types of folks....and there are plenty of'em.....as we all know.
PV2 JM....jeeesh
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JMC PrerequisitesGraduate of the United States Army Infantry School Airborne Course. Active Army and Reserve Component officer and noncommissioned officers. Must be in the grade of SGT or above. All students muyst be qualified, current (jumped within six months or attended Jump refresher) as a parachutist and have a minimum of 12 static line parachute jumps from USAF high-performance aircraft and been on jump status for 12 months. Must be recommended by battalion commander or officer in the grade of LTC. Officer and enlisted personnel must have a current valid physical examination less than 60 months old. Applicants must have passed the Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT) within 6 months of entry with a minimum score of 180 points (60 points in each event using applicants age group). Medical examination (Standard From 88) and APFT Scorecard (DA Form 705) must accompany the individual when he/she reports for training. Additionally, individuals must have in their possession their individual Jump Record (DA Form 1307) closed out by their unit. Students must meet Army height/weight standards.
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I concur, PS.com does a good job at "outing" these types of folks....and there are plenty of'em.....as we all know.
PV2 JM....jeeesh
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JMC PrerequisitesGraduate of the United States Army Infantry School Airborne Course. Active Army and Reserve Component officer and noncommissioned officers. Must be in the grade of SGT or above. All students muyst be qualified, current (jumped within six months or attended Jump refresher) as a parachutist and have a minimum of 12 static line parachute jumps from USAF high-performance aircraft and been on jump status for 12 months. Must be recommended by battalion commander or officer in the grade of LTC. Officer and enlisted personnel must have a current valid physical examination less than 60 months old. Applicants must have passed the Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT) within 6 months of entry with a minimum score of 180 points (60 points in each event using applicants age group). Medical examination (Standard From 88) and APFT Scorecard (DA Form 705) must accompany the individual when he/she reports for training. Additionally, individuals must have in their possession their individual Jump Record (DA Form 1307) closed out by their unit. Students must meet Army height/weight standards.
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D-8024L
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A quick check of Ranger School attendance of '80s & '90s do not show Mc Cormick attended Ranger School. That was a surprise find (LOL). Get a Class# so the orders can be checked.
D-8160
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NAVYCB
Non-Member
Raine, I know this guy. He work about 200 feet from me. let me tell you the stories he tells are out of this world. We had a VIP walk through the other day and he starts off by saying hello I am Lance and I am ex special forces. Now he was telling this to a 2 star. We all know he is full of crap but you should not be telling a 2 star you are ex anything when you are not. He is one of a kind and I think he needs some help.
NAVYCB
Non-Member
not sure
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YES HE TOLD a 2STAR GENERAL he was Ex- Special Forces, I think he does these things to see how far he can go and to see who is going to give damn to do anything about it. So here I am
doing something about it. This man has no right to claim EX anything. He is a bully and does not care about anyone but himself. He has 8 KIDS to take care of, and doesn't seem he can do that right. Both ex wives were taking him to court for lack of care or lack of support when he was suppose to be doing the right thing. He gets his pay garnished for his child support only 800 some dollars, for 8 kids. that doesn't seem alot does it.
D-8160
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NAVYCB
Non-Member
Raine, I know this guy. He work about 200 feet from me. let me tell you the stories he tells are out of this world. We had a VIP walk through the other day and he starts off by saying hello I am Lance and I am ex special forces. Now he was telling this to a 2 star. We all know he is full of crap but you should not be telling a 2 star you are ex anything when you are not. He is one of a kind and I think he needs some help.
NAVYCB
Non-Member
not sure
I am not to sure about that one. We all know around here is is full of crap and his nick name is lyine lance. I can not believe someone has not stopped him yet or why he is not been in trouble about portraying himself as some war hero. he is just a bum looking for attention.
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YES HE TOLD a 2STAR GENERAL he was Ex- Special Forces, I think he does these things to see how far he can go and to see who is going to give damn to do anything about it. So here I am
doing something about it. This man has no right to claim EX anything. He is a bully and does not care about anyone but himself. He has 8 KIDS to take care of, and doesn't seem he can do that right. Both ex wives were taking him to court for lack of care or lack of support when he was suppose to be doing the right thing. He gets his pay garnished for his child support only 800 some dollars, for 8 kids. that doesn't seem alot does it.
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